Wednesday, January 04, 2006

"LCMS and Sexism"

Ran across THIS interesting blog entry....


Edit: Ran across this later entry too... she takes it even further!


Dan @ Necessary Roughness said...

Seems some people read their Bible with a bottle of white-out on the nightstand. :) The Rev.'s comments weren't the most impressive, either.

Tom Becker said...

She's a little misinformed as well - the PCA does not ordain women either. Most conservative (ie Orthodox) denominations don't ordain women. I was really suprised at how weak the pastor's reply was, but there are 2 sides to every story.

The Cubicle Reverend said...

That rev needs to think before he speaks. We do need to take things in context of scripture, but to call the fathers of the faith sexist is out right ignorant. Even they recongized the necessary role women of the faith played in the support of their ministries. Men and women need to stop worrying so much about trying to be the same and celebrate the differences that are innate in us. And it looks to me she isn't so much about helping the church, but making herself feel important.

Richard said...

I used to live in the Ohio District and have had some dealings with Rev. Bergen. He is the President of the Ohio District. His response to the ladies question was terrible assuming that she understood correctly. No wonder we have issues in the LCMS.

Richard Scott
Princeton MN

Brenda Grolle said...

I find it interesting that some of you call me ignorant, self-important, and perhaps worse in your thoughts, on the basis of only 2-out-of-many posts I made on my blog.

But, as I am, you also are entitled to your opinions. Fair is fair.

Richard, yes I did understand him correctly. Truthfully, I expected Rev. Bergen to direct me to the appropriate verses, and I would have let it go.

I am a bit down on my LCMS congregation right now. It's nothing to do with Rev. Bergen though or the issue of women in the church. More like a misplaced priorities issue. I've posted about it on my discussion forum.

Anyway, I would encourage any of you who are interested in learning more about my Christian beliefs - not specifically LCMS-related - to read through **several** of my blog posts and/or participate in my Christian forum, The God Squad at

Our membership at the forum is steadily growing.

My best wishes to Rev. Thomas Chryst and his readers!

Mat 5:44 But I tell you this: Love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you.
Mat 5:45 In this way you show that you are children of your Father in heaven. He makes his sun rise on people whether they are good or evil. He lets rain fall on them whether they are just or unjust.
Mat 5:46 If you love those who love you, do you deserve a reward? Even the tax collectors do that!
Mat 5:47 Are you doing anything remarkable if you welcome only your friends? Everyone does that!
Mat 5:48 That is why you must be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Chaz said...

Pr. Chryst,

Perhaps it would be best for Brenda's pastor to take point on this one? I would commend you to call her pastor, your brother in office, if you know who he is.

Preachrboy said...


According to a look at the LCMS congregation directory they are still vacant.

I don't know who is serving her congregation during this time, but I would think that the District President should at least be able to point her in the direction of some good resources to explain the issue... or...

Brenda, I am sure you will find any number of LCMS pastors around here who can answer your questions regarding what Scripture teaches on the ordination of women, if you choose to listen...

Brenda Grolle said...

"I don't know who is serving her congregation during this time, but I would think that the District President should at least be able to point her in the direction of some good resources to explain the issue... or..."

Yes, you would think so, but...

He also ignored my email, which would have given him another opportunity to try and help me to understand. He did mention that he was about 10 months away from retirement - this was a couple of months ago. Straightening out any confusion or misunderstandings on my part must not have been high on his priority list.

Thanks to the publicity your blog entry has given to my blog and discussion forum, I've had a couple of people posting on my forum (one a Seminarian) about this issue. Also, I've received an email from an LCMS Pastor. Maybe more will follow - the more the merrier, I say, provided it is done is a helpful way, as has been the case so far. :)

I am trying to come to a better understanding of this issue, with the help of God, Who is obviously hard at work in this matter.

Preachrboy said...


I appreciate your openness on the topic. An attitude of humility is always helpful when studying God's Word, especially with those topics we find difficult or even offensive.

Remember that the cross itself is a "stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to gentiles". So it shouldn't be a surprise that other teachings of the Bible don't seem quite right to us at first.

I will commend you to the wisdom of those who have already engaged in the discussion. Blessings.